Rahul Gandhi assures BHU-IT students of early IIT status
What the fuck is wrong with these Gandhi-Nehru nutheads. Jawaharlal, Indira and Sanjay later, we have this thirty-something politician - a wannabe Obama - making random promises.
IT BHU to get IIT status. Good god! Mr. Gandhi, get a life. And here are a few suggestions:
- Your alma-mater St. Stephens, Delhi (Oh, I almost forgot you did not finish college there) - give it IIT status.
- All the existing IITs, the real ones (B,D,K,Kgp, M) give them Harvard/Stanford/MIT status. Anyfuckingway,evidently you thoroughly impressed by Shakesperian whats-in-a-name.
- Faculty.. I am sure you don't bother too much about it. So, get all your party workers to teach at each of the new IITs you are creating out of thin air.
- Get Italian nurturing support for IT BHU and name Ms. Sonia Gandhi as it's Director. It sure will be fun to see prof. Ananth trying to explain academics to an Italian library keeper.
- And whatever little votes you get by giving IT BHU this status, shove it up your ass. Whatever is left over, retain it for a rainy day.
According to SN Upadhyaya, director, IT-BHU, the institute can match any other IIT institution in the country in terms of infrastructure and academic environment, especially quality of research in engineering.Oh yes, IITs themselves are struggling to keep up the infrastructure and academic environment. Add excess baggage of people who want to 'tag along'!
IT BHU??!! IIT status.. LOL.
PS: Read this trippy shit about how IIT Bihar (:P) campus has been waterlogged and encroached by policemen. A sample quote:
The registrar of the IIT, Subhash Pandey, was quoted in the Hindustan Times as saying: “our Students’ Activity Centre has been encroached by the cops of the Patliputra police station. They have been staying there since last monsoon.
18 comments:
You might have done a better job by researching a bit on ITBHU. Perhaps this article will give you an insight Why ITBHU must have been made an IIT a long time ago - http://www.hinduonnet.com/edu/2005/04/04/stories/2005040400141000.htm
Dear Anonymous,
Thanks for that link. While it is commendable that IT BHU does better than a few IITs - It is not an auto-justification for granting it IIT status. If the institute is really (as is proclaimed by the article) so good, it will have its own brand name and recognition. So, instead of wanting to harp of the IIT tag, you could as well work towards equalling and surpassing the IITs in quality.
The ISB (ranked 15th in global B-School rankings, ahead of all IIMs) is a case you may consider similar.
Just because BHU is govt-funded, it should not be made an IIT. Why can't you folks compete/co-exist under your existing name? Also, the IITs are what they are because of their alumni and their contribution across the globe - Why should IT BHU be afforded the benefits?
Vikas,
Thanks for going through my comment. The points you raise are valid. Some comments from my side -
1. ISB is a private institute. Each of the IITs is an autonomous institute. But IT-BHU is under BHU control, and BHU is many other faculties. This takes away of decision capability from IT-BHU, esp those related to funding, hiring faculty, infrastructure development, curriculum etc.
2. The IITs come directly under the Ministry of HRD while most others Central Universities and Institutes, including BHU come under the UGC. The rules that apply to IITs are different from BHU, including the annual funding, approval of research grants, allotment of projects and pay scale of faculty members.
3. A fresh faculty member joins the IITs at the pay scale of a Reader in IT-BHU while it takes a Lecturer around 7~10 years in an institute like IT-BHU to reach that pay scale and this dissuades a faculty member to join IT-BHU. The supporting funds which IT-BHU receives are somewhere in between of a quarter to a half of that an IIT receives. This in the end reflects on facilities being made available to faculty and students like - on campus housing, research grants etc.
4. The admissions to IT-BHU have suffered as more and more IITs are coming up. This is because students’ first preference to join the IITs and then to evaluate the option of coming to BHU, is resulting in students with lower IIT-JEE ranks joining IT-BHU. With IT-BHU converted into an IIT, quality of incoming students would improve. This is proven by higher ranked IIT-JEE students joining IIT-Guwahati and IIT-Roorkee rather than IT-BHU.
The institue already has a great brand name in industry and academic circles. But the current structure has resulted that the institute is slowly lagging behind.
http://www.rediff.com/money/2005/may/23iit1.htm
This link should answer most of the questions you have raised.
W.r.t. Italian support, we could probably convert Stephen's to Bocconi :-) After all, why should an institute which gets admits thru JEE suffer and become a HSS insti in BTech uniform < to side with the anon commenter for once! >
Being an IITian myself, I see where your anger at the "dilution of brand name" comes from, and also the relative randomisation of the way new IITs have been instituted out of thin air in the recent air. However, when I step back and give it a deeper thought, I realize that while the next few yrs would be a transitional phase where most things wd just plain suck, in the long run (and I'm being a little optimistic here but not much) it isn't that bad a thing to do. The demand for quality education is increasing manifold each year, in particular technology. The number of students aspiring for an engineering degree is bound to increase a lot in the coming decade or two, and statistically, the creme da la creme would grow in absolute numbers as well. There is a need to create opportunities for accomodating this influx, otherwise any effort, howsoever meager at the grassroots to improve primary education will not reach its logical conclusion. The argument against this is that there is no immediate need to open new "IIT's", we can just open more colleges. This is true to some extent, but not because of the brand dilution.
The brands will begin to differentiate anyway. An IIT D or B would have a different market value than Bihar or Punjab, just like it is anyway different today between B and Roorkee, etc. But the upside is, that by making an institute an IIT, it is brought directly under HRD ministry, gets better support, better salary inviting faculty, better students and eventually a faster track to upgradation to the requisite levels than otherwise. It just cuts off some of the red tape. ISB started off with a lot more private funding and industrial support, but that model cannot be directly applied to IITs. For this reason, I advocate upgrading BHU, Trichy etc to IIT much more than calling campus less fields in Punjab as an IIT. I agree the next 10-15 yrs wd be a mess, but in the long run, it might just be wat the country needs.
@ Anonymous -
The points you have raised are valid. My stance is NOT against having more quality institutions and upgrading existing ones - I am uncomfortable because the the government seems to believe that making more IITs is the only solution out of this - which is not.
While your views about faculty payscale are eye-opening, my defence is that when you know what plagues the system, why not make policies to clean them. Why can't the honourable minister pass a resolution to provide more autonomy to UGC-run institutes and offer more funding to them? Why does he have to use the IIT cloak to do the exact same thing?
Setting up 100 IITs wont help India as much as setting up 100 top-quality technical institutions. Unfortunately, the govt. seems inclined to make more IITs and not necessarily more institutes of excellence - which is saddening.
@ Gravy Hanger - Yeah, B.Tech aur HS ko alag alag rakho! :P
@ Phoenix,
I agree to most of what of you have to say.
1. I reiterate - We definitely need more institutions of higher education which can provide high-quality output. To say that making more IITs is tantamount to the same IS NOT true.
2. Brand Dilution is also a major issue, though not as much as quality degradation, which is bound to happen with such rampant birth.
3. BITS Goa, for example was created only after the entire campus was ready - faculty were in place and the mechanisms finetuned. Can you say the same for any of the fly-by-night iITs?
4. True, slowly 'IIT' will erode to give birth to 'IIT Madras' and 'IIT Delhi' and so on.. This is already partially true (though I might be biased here) with the IITG and R in the fray. It'll only become more apparent now.
How can someone say "I am an IITian - I am from IIT Hyderabad or IIT Bihar"!! :-P
Mithilesh singh( Research scholar)
Deptt- Applied mathematics,ITBHU
you are speaking totally against it bhu
if you are so much caring about iit standard then you should not forget it ahs already deteriorated by creating 6 new iit's without any infrastructure
and by conversion of it-bhu to iit we are going to do something good for students goin to enter through jee.
and the fact is nation requires many iit engineers for development of nation
so who the fuck are u to hamper this plan???
go and put finger in your cozzy asshole
it-bhu will become iit sooner or later
what the fuck is this . why u people just dont think right. six fucking iits without are coming without any infras. and faculty and u people r opposing the conversion of itbhu to iit.
90 years of technical expertise , admission thru jee dan why not iit?????????
just compare itbhu to other insti. and den say anything about its conversion.
soon it will be iit and u will see it.......
There is something seriously wrong with your chain of thought.
First of all, you are too aggressive.
"What the fuck is wrong with these Gandhi-Nehru nutheads. Jawaharlal, Indira and Sanjay later, we have this thirty-something politician - a wannabe Obama - making random promises."
All Rahul Gandhi has said is that he will try for an "early" IIT status, implying that he will try to speed up the process not initiate it. So how can you call him a nuthead. READ CAREFULLY.
"IT BHU to get IIT status. Good god! Mr. Gandhi, get a life. And here are a few suggestions:
* Your alma-mater St. Stephens, Delhi (Oh, I almost forgot you did not finish college there) - give it IIT status."
St. Stephens is not an engineering college and I am sure I wouldn't see you talking that way to another college dropout Bill Gates.
"* All the existing IITs, the real ones (B,D,K,Kgp, M) give them Harvard/Stanford/MIT status. Anyfuckingway,evidently you thoroughly impressed by Shakesperian whats-in-a-name."
I'll be talking about "the real ones" later
"* Faculty.. I am sure you don't bother too much about it. So, get all your party workers to teach at each of the new IITs you are creating out of thin air.
* Get Italian nurturing support for IT BHU and name Ms. Sonia Gandhi as it's Director. It sure will be fun to see prof. Ananth trying to explain academics to an Italian library keeper.
"* And whatever little votes you get by giving IT BHU this status, shove it up your ass. Whatever is left over, retain it for a rainy day.
According to SN Upadhyaya, director, IT-BHU, the institute can match any other IIT institution in the country in terms of infrastructure and academic environment, especially quality of research in engineering.
Oh yes, IITs themselves are struggling to keep up the infrastructure and academic environment. Add excess baggage of people who want to 'tag along'!"
So IITs are struggling to keep up the infrastructure and academic environment, Maybe because they went off in the wrong direction are are not so good after all. So, why not give other institutes a chance and see that they don't fumble midway as IITs did (You said IITs are struggling so there must be something wrong with them)
IIT is no longer a brand name in itself, it is which IIT you are from that counts. Some stubborn students with a pompous attitude still refuse to recognize IIT Roorkee & IITG as IITs. When IITians meet in public the talk starts with "So, Which IIT are you from."
"All the existing IITs, the real ones (B,D,K,Kgp, M)"
"IT BHU??!! IIT status.. LOL." - This is the attitude I am talking about.
The truth is that 90% of the IITians (As well as engineers from other colleges) were pumped into the system, It was not an informed decision that they made.
Mr.Shenoy, the number of times u have used the 'f***' word and connotations shows you are a neurotic. I am an IIT ian myself and from the first Big IIT the Kgp. Had Kgp taken an IPR of the IIT brand at the time of inception there would have been no chance for the creation of other IITs ever??? Sounds ridiculous? Your justification is as ridiculous as this one too!!! University of California has got several campuses!!! But their brand does not seem diluted. People still talk of UCLA more than Berkley or Riverside. What you are talking about is Brand monopoly!!! You do not want to share your brand with a country of millions where probably creating a few new campuses of IIT would give few others an opportunity to get better technical education and finally compete with brats like you in the marriage market for booty! How can you let that happen?? Anyways,manage your adrenaline pump a bit and relax. No one needs your comment on a national university of repute like BHU. Please leave the IIT formation issue to the nation. After all it’s the tax payers' money. Let them decide. Be good at least without speaking crap, if you cannot do good!!
BM IITKgp
^^ go dude
Apologies for having not responded for so long.
(This is going to be a long one)
@ Anonymous 1 (Mithilesh Singh)
I don't know which of the many anonymouses was you - but I thank you for visiting for my blog.
@ Anonymous 2 ("you are speaking totally against it bhu")
Well, of you read my post again - you will realise that it is not as much against IT-BHU as it is against the concept of new IITs.
"and the fact is nation requires many iit engineers for development of nation
so who the fuck are u to hamper this plan???"
The fact is NOT that the nation requires many IITs, it is just that the nation requires more institutes of quality education. There is a difference.
And 'cozzy'?? LOL - that's a first.
@ Anonymous 2 ("what the fuck is this ")
Your question is this: 90 years of technical expertise , admission thru jee dan why not iit?????????
My answer is this: 90 years of technical expertise , admission thru jee dan why iit?
@ Anonymous 3 ("There is something seriously wrong with your chain of thought. ")
Being aggressive is a not a reflection of the chain of thought. And here's a bit of trivia about Bill Gates: He dropped out of college to start Microsoft.
On the other hand, Rahul Gandhi dropped out of Stephens for security reasons. Don't compare apples and oranges just to further your argument.
@ Anon 4 (" BM IIT Kgp")
I appreciate your deeper understanding of the subject but I believe that you still do not get my point of contention. You need more good institutes, not more IITs!
And regarding "my comments on a national university of repute" - I did not invite you to my blog. So, your comments are as unheeded to me as my post is to you. I would have appreciated if you left a credible signature so that your comments carry some weight rather than staying anonymous.
PS: I used the F*** (:P) word only twice - that amounts to neurotic? Last time I checked, this was acceptable as 'sane'. Grow up kid.
@ Anonymous (Last one)
Thanks man. I appreciate that bit of encouragement! Means a lot :-P
PHEW.
More to comment on the comments than on the post. Keeping it on the lighter side...your post attracted so many heated exchanges b/w the 2 sides!!!
As I see, there would be as many supporters of the cause as would be against it. However, I feel that it would be better to grant IIT status to IT-BHU than create more IITs. And, I also know that your point was "No more unplanned IITs" rather than "No IIT status to IT-BHU" - I totally agree with you. Why the misunderstanding!!!
Each one was trying to overpower the other in verbal duel, it didn't seem like a debate among people with 'reasonable' reason, let alone students of distinguished colleges. Debates with such flavor would only undermine the reputation of the involved institutes (I think that's why so many 'Anonymous'comments to the post)
@readovalsmind
Looks like vikas is more concerned on IT-BHU being converted in to IIT rather that unplanned IITs.
His article starts with quite sarcastic/'making fun' tone and carries ITBHU more than 5 times in it.
Good and quit optimistic approach I can see :) for other IITs. I appreciate vikas here.
http://alaktus.blogspot.com/2008/07/iit-iim.html
@Vikas
Already so many people have tried to correct you.
So lets talk about IT-BHU:
you know that JEE rank difference from 1000 to 1500 will not cost you more than 5-8 Nos in the exam paper of 300 (I am talking about the feeling of only qualifying aspirants).
I hope you never been at that bifurcation.
I had around 1500th Rank in JEE-2001, that time I was thinking I should go for IIT K/M/D/B/Kgp for Metallurgy/Chem/Civil or IT-BHU for 'better' than Metallurgy (At that time I thought other things are better, but its person individual, ask fabrication scientists of Intel or App Meta).
I opted for IT-BHU (If I look back, I made the best decision), I am sure you will find more threads attached to the person of Metallurgy from IIT B/K/M/D/Kgp/G/R/?/?/?? than CSE/ECE of IT-BHU (aah sud I have gone for Meta @IITM?) :)
You know IT-BHU is Engg college since 90 Yrs and is attached to JEE since last 40 Yrs.
Comeon Vikas think rationally, I don't know from which branch or what rank you are?
50% of IT-BHU students had the choice of going to any IIT at that time( I agree for branches which generally we think are not so good). If they would have done so ,all IITM after CHEM would have been replaced by ITBHU janta.
So stop saying..!
...."IT BHU??!! IIT status.. LOL."...
Rohit Sachan
ITBHU ECE-05
Standard Chartered,
Singapore
I am sorry, but Vikash your blogs expresses your insecurities. You want to enjoy your IIT-JEE success for your lifetime and want to outcast others who got lower rank to you. Going by this mindset only AIR-1 should decide about future of IITs, otherwise it will dilute his intelligence and acheivement.
The fact is none of the IIT's or IIM garantee you to remain at top always. In industries you will find great guys with modest educational background.Good institutes provide you the opportunities. And more and more oppportunites for quality education should be available.
So "why not other centre-of-technical-excellence why more IIT's.. because "sick" Indian society is crazy about names and any other name will not attract Quality students.
This happened with IT-BHU in 2001 when Roorkee became an IIT the rankings fell by 300.
At the end of IIT-JEE exam its the individual who has to make choices based on its rank and more IIT's provides more choices,at same time it doesn't give every IIT equal status. So best will remain best in new setup as well.
I think more IIT's were long needed but goverment could have done much better in choosing Institutes. but on plain Quality of education, students and industry brand image,upgrading IT-BHU to IIT is a good choice.
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